Andy Marsh Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I am having trouble with my rear drum brakes on my 1360. i have replaced the shoes and wheel cylinder and used all adjustments possible but still cant get the drum back on. All parts are correct and i have springs in correct place but still not good, can anybody help. I know this might seem a trivial problem but it's driving me mad.Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bxbodger Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Make certain that the adjusters are wound so that the shoes are as close together as possible -watch them as you wind the adjuster, and they may need a shove to move in as well so wind with one hand while squeezing the shoes together, the drum should then slide on.....then reset the adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herald948 Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 I agree with the above. However, if you need to help the adjuster return to its lowest setting, then it's time to remove, clean, lubricate and reinstall said adjuster! (A little white lithium grease goes a long way!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Cureton Posted January 8, 2009 Share Posted January 8, 2009 Have you made sure the cylinder is sliding freely on the backplate (often seize up as they don't move very often), the handbrake is slackened right off (If you have fitted new shoes the handbrake will have been adjusted to compensate for the worn shoes) and have you made sure the shoes are centralised (I do this by placing the drum on one shoe then gently tapping the drum up or down to align with the second shoe). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Marsh Posted January 9, 2009 Author Share Posted January 9, 2009 We have changed the cylinder and it looks ok and moves freely, also the adjuster seems to be working ok but it only has about a quarter turn adjustment as its a cam. Is it possible to champher the front edge of the shoes to get a start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deleted User Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Are you looking at the correct adjuster - it is not a cam, it is a screw with a conical head with flats, and should go through several turns to push a pair of wedges out to move the shoes.It is item 31 on the image, and the wedges are item 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herald948 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 KevinR wrote:Are you looking at the correct adjuster - it is not a cam, it is a screw with a conical head with flats, and should go through several turns to push a pair of wedges out to move the shoes.Well, you're both right in a way. The adjuster can go through several turns total, but it works in quarter-turn adjustments! Again, if the adjuster doesn't seem to be functioning (i.e., if you really only get one quarter-turn out of it), take it off, clean and lube it, and put it back on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Cureton Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 Those adjusters do tend to seize up so Andy could be right. The best way I've found to free them up is to remove it from the car and use a vice to hold it while you work some oil into it. You might also need to apply some heat if it's really stuck - be careful not to break it off. Once it's free it should turn really easily just with your fingers (with the shoes off of course). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herald948 Posted January 9, 2009 Share Posted January 9, 2009 I agree, Steve, especially about the heat. I've probably "rejuvenated" several dozen of these adjusters, starting with a small propane torch to free them up, then disassembling and wire brushing to clean everything up, then reassembling with white lithium grease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Marsh Posted January 11, 2009 Author Share Posted January 11, 2009 Thanks boys finally managed to get the drums on, had to grind a bit off the end of vthe shoes and also champhered the shoe, fits like a glove. Cleaned up the adjuster and reassembled it but adjustment is only very small Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herald948 Posted January 11, 2009 Share Posted January 11, 2009 Andy_Marsh wrote:... Cleaned up the adjuster and reassembled it but adjustment is only very smallI'm still confused by this. There should be at least several full turns of the adjuster post avaiable (again, in quarter-turn increments), resulting in a fairly 'wide' range of adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Cureton Posted January 12, 2009 Share Posted January 12, 2009 Andy, something is amiss, probably the wrong shoes I suspect, but if you are happy with the results then it might not matter as long as you're confident they're safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Marsh Posted January 12, 2009 Author Share Posted January 12, 2009 Shoes are identical to the ones took off, but looks like they are a few mm to big at the point they meet the cylinder. All works well and seems to be ok so thanks for the advise and i will let you know how they go on once we have it back on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 Bit weird this.Are the new shoes def. the same size? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Marsh Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 Yes they look the same in all ways but are a fraction out on the lenght, once ground down they fit perfect. I even called a mate who is an ex mechanic to have a look to make sute that everything was fitted ok, who gave me shoes the green light that everything was fitted correctly. IT was simply the size of the shoe's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 So it's the friction material which is too large? I'm not overly surprised, what with some newly made stuff. Dare I ask where you got them from? It may be nice to contact the place to give them a polite heads-up - could be a slightly odd batch.Some people can't seem to read a rule properly. Did Goodridge finally sort out the correct length of their flexible brake hoses for Heralds with front drums so they didn't rub on the wheel? Their rear hoses are a tiny bit longer too which is why mine rubbed on a halfshaft when the car was low.Sorry, pretty stressed today so in a moaning mood! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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