Ingieuk Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Hi,Being new to the world of Triumph I would quite like some advice on the condition of some vertical links. I'm currently overhauling the front suspension on my GT6. I've checked for vertical play of which there isn't any, however when I've removed the LH vertical link I've found the thread damage in the pictures. There is some very light pitting where the seal meets the vertical link. The trunnion looks like it is new, certainly not original (car restored in 2000).Basically, is it scrap?If so - Canleys conversion or new vertical links? Having had a search it seems those who have the conversion are very happy, then again a lot of people seem happy with buying new vertical links.Advice welcomed! Happy New Year all.RichP.S. Having said that the more I look at the pic, the more I think its probably scrap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Garvey Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Looks scrap to me - as well as the pitting the threads are also extremely worn. I don't have trunnion-less...yet - if you're looking to go that route it certainly looks to be the right time. Either way I'd be replacing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensH Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Wow! Don't trust that ??)That's should have been replaced years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clive Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 scrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 DittoI did a club mag article on the changeover to the Canley trunnion less conversionWith this system you could `throw` the car around corners and have the confidence in coming out the corner alive Being a Club member has its advantages ....as you can read up on such topics .............and we are so helpful ;) ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2502 Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 I went for the trunnionless last year and very happy with it so far. Fit and forget which is always a nice phrase with classics!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Scrap it is, thanks for the consensus.I've just taken the RHS off, any thoughts? To me it looks okay, again new-looking trunnion. I think I may be able to re-use it and buy a new LHS vertical link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 That one looks better. The OE trunnion setup is pretty robust, so long as it is given the correct oil (EP90) regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Thanks, I think I will be able to re-use, I can see no pitting around the seal area. Both were full of grease rather than oil. I shall be using oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 2003 wrote:Scrap it is, thanks for the consensus.I've just taken the RHS off, any thoughts? To me it looks okay, again new-looking trunnion. I think I may be able to re-use it and buy a new LHS vertical link.That may be OK with a new trunnion etc, however when they snap ,they generally go where the thread meets the neck, ......that bit in the photo where you can see a bit of wear then to the pitted areaGenerally they never snap on the threaded bit....When the VL is screwed up and on tight to a new trunnion then it may seem fine, but when the car is going around bends/corners ,the stress is put on the neck of the threaded portionNB...when they snap , be prepared for a heck of a bang when they drop at the front end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 michael_charlton wrote:DittoI did a club mag article on the changeover to the Canley trunnion less conversionWith this system you could `throw` the car around corners and have the confidence in coming out the corner alive Being a Club member has its advantages ....as you can read up on such topics .............and we are so helpful ;) ;)Which one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 Ah okay, would you advise either completely replacing trunnions/going down canleys route then?I find it strange one appears so much worse than the other! Its as if the RHS has failed in the past and been replaced as new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 ferny wrote:Which one?Which one what.....?Happy New Year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velocita Rosso Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 2003 wrote:Ah okay, would you advise either completely replacing trunnions/going down canleys route then?I find it strange one appears so much worse than the other! Its as if the RHS has failed in the past and been replaced as new.Could be down to a few things:Not lubricated evenlyTrunnions could be odd...eg from different manufacturers....fitting and wearing oddlyNot fitting correctly in the lower wishbones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ferny Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Which issue of the magazine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan16v Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 2003 wrote:Scrap it is, thanks for the consensus.I've just taken the RHS off, any thoughts? To me it looks okay, again new-looking trunnion. I think I may be able to re-use it and buy a new LHS vertical link.thanks for posting these up, I have been trying to decide if mine are ok and both look like this which is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted January 2, 2015 Author Share Posted January 2, 2015 No problem, however I may not be the greatest judge given I've only just taken mine off for the first time! To me the rhs one seems good for the moment, however as stated that's no guarantee! In the back ofor my mind I think I should go trunnionless, would quite like to do something competitive (not sure what yet!) so maybe it would be worth it. Also it sounds as though damage can occur to bonnet etc.Currently the kits are out of stock at Canleys so it will be the normal vl for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMPUS Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 2003 wrote:No problem, however I may not be the greatest judge given I've only just taken mine off for the first time! To me the rhs one seems good for the moment, however as stated that's no guarantee! In the back ofor my mind I think I should go trunnionless, would quite like to do something competitive (not sure what yet!) so maybe it would be worth it. Also it sounds as though damage can occur to bonnet etc.Currently the kits are out of stock at Canleys so it will be the normal vl for now.If you get an new vertical link you need to have a look if the oil way is drilled straight .. A few months or even a year ago there was a thread on here.He had vertical links in his shed, he didn't know why they where in.. but after investigation it found why he put them there.He found out some oil ways where drill not straight, so the threaded part was on one side very thin ! :oSo if you get a new one, do check it ! (someone on here will find the thread i hope, it shows it very good) :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMPUS Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Found it .. Do also look at the pics of the beginning of this thread .. [Sorry, link no longer available] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensH Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Don't believe its a problem with the gt6 link as different to the spitfire ones, but ask at canley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 Thanks for pointing this out, I will take a very good look! Again another reason to go trunnionless I guess. Depends on Canleys stock though, anyone had experience of how long they take to come into stock? I'm guessing they're made in batches.Didn't realise people were so passionate about trunnions! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john2502 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I usually just send them a quick email if an item is out of stock to find out. Or call.Yeah it's a bit of a "Hot topic" with these cars. But most likely because of the dangers that can occur if this happens at high speed. As it has been said the standard setup with a good quality set of vertical links will work fine if regularly oiled with the correct oil in the correct way. I just fancied a solution that I didn't have to keep remembering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 The fit and forget aspect is attractive. I've noticed some complaining about the fact the lower ball joint is only fixed by a single bolt and a ridge on the ball joint. I'm guessing it's not an issue? In all the reading I've not seemn anyone actually have a failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheepy Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 I will be going trunionless when the spit is done.As said above, there is not a lot of problem with the trunionless kit, but as said, it's secured by the "pinch" of the single bolt.There is the flange at the top that helps prevent it moving, i did see on another forum (forgot where) that one chap had some problems with the flange part twisting and bending slightly, but that could be an easy fix during manufacture, by increasing the material thickness at that end! If it's not already been solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingieuk Posted February 14, 2015 Author Share Posted February 14, 2015 Just to update this thread - my Canley Trunnionless kit arrived this week. I do think the carrier design has changed slightly Shaun, the flange seems thicker than on the car you mention.Just to got to get it fitted now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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