Alex Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I'm looking to fit later brakes to my mk1,I think it makes sense to do the front wheel bearings at the same time.I wondered where the best place is to buy these and wether theres any difference between brands?Also whats the going rate?Thanks,Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sorbington Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Witor, Rimmers or any supplier who hasn't left them sitting around on a shelf for years. You could get them from SKF or someone if you could find out the number. I think bearings are supposed to have a shelf life of around 3 years?11 - 20 quid for a wheel bearing kit, including new seal.Incidentally, the front bearings on these cars are supposed to be stripped, cleaned and re-greased every two years / 24,000 miles ( I think). I wonder how many of us actually bother to do this? It's even more important on cars which don't get regular use. For the cost of them, you'd be as well to pop in some new bearings instead of just re greasing the old ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanChatterton Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 Modern repro ones have a nasty felt seal. Carefully remove the original rubber seal at the back and re-use it.I got mine from Canleys, about £12 a set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sorbington Posted March 7, 2010 Share Posted March 7, 2010 I think the last set I got came from Rim jobs and had a proper rubber seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Acclaim Guru Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 I used the ones from Witors, came with the good oil seal an all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Borris Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 How easy is it to upgrade the brakes? On a MK1?Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard B Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Fit MkII disks and calipers, same diameter but thicker discs so stops brake fade.Alternatively, Stag discs & calipers (larger diameter and cheaper discs!).Stag stub axles were the same size, but hardened. Not sure about nowadays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAJ Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Th Stag set up uses the same pads too, but you have to use 14'' wheels as 13s wont fit over them.Can give a slightly 'longer' pedal if you use the original master cylinder and servo rather than Stag items.Colin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thescrapman Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 1529 wrote:How easy is it to upgrade the brakes? On a MK1?AndyPre or post facelift Mk1??If Pre-facelift change to post facelift for thicker discs.then get a set of Stag calipers and discs for the next level.Bigger servo (Mk2 or Stag) to make it easier to brake (not better, just easier)Then it is bespoke Wilwood claipers and vented discs I guess.CheersColin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 How good are these Wilwood kits?I hear conflicting stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikew Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 timbancroft61 wrote:How good are these Wilwood kits?I hear conflicting stories.I have had a Wilwood system from Chris Witor on my stag for 4 plus years, no problems whatsoever.mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Umm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy thompson Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Willwood.. depends on usage reallyChris Witors have the vented inlets on the disc on the outer (Renault disc?) whereas most would consider the inner more orthodoxI found them wanting on the circuit but I am sure they would be good on the road. They do have a large piston area which can lead to pad knock off , especially if you don't use a Stag M/C.. all adds to the cost I suppose.I have fitted Monarch's Disc vented conversion to my 2500 (sold the Willwoods) It uses a BMW E30 265mm x 0.800" disc (redrilled and centre machined then straight bolt onto the hub using shorter (propshaft) 3/8 unf bolts). http://triumphwestoz.blogspot.com/2009/07/new-brakes-on-everyday-hack.htmlThe caliper is production Mazda RX7 Turbo S2. Alloy forged and bigger pad than the willwoods and lots of compound choice including all the Ferodo DS range. The caliper is certainly a sturdier piece of kit than the willwoods and has anti sheal shims and dust guards unlike the willwood which looks a wee bit exposed. The Mazda caliper is definitely a better everyday proposition and has smaller pistons so you can retain the 2000 M/C with no increase in pedal.Chris harps on about if you don't increase the piston area you don't increase the braking power but I would argue that braking power isn't the issue but fade resistance is what we are trying to increase (eh Tim? ;) )The Monarch kit give far more consistent pedal and is totally fade freeMy only reservation on the Monarch kit is the adaptor which seems a little homemade. Works though 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Bancroft Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Andy's conversion looks much better and I have no doubt cheaper.I will investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Interesting - do the Mazda calipers fit to the standard mounting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB_Harvey Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Take note that if you upgrade an early 2000 with the .3500" discs you also need the later hubs as fitted to late 2000 Mk1's Mk1 PIs Mk2's & Stags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 DJB_Harvey wrote:Take note that if you upgrade an early 2000 with the .3500" discs you also need the later hubs as fitted to late 2000 Mk1's Mk1 PIs Mk2's & Stags.I do have the later hubs here fit but why do these need changing?Thanks,Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB_Harvey Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Early hubs are different ,& only fit with the 2000 .3500" discs , other than that all other later parts are interchangable ... Dave . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted March 13, 2010 Author Share Posted March 13, 2010 I just wondered what the actual differences were? Do you know what makes them not interchangeable?ThanksAlex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB_Harvey Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Basically the offset is different , the early Hubs are only suitable for the"thin disc" Also for a lot of aftermarket wheels a spacer is needed for clearance , Chris Witor supplies these if needed ... Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy thompson Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 jcarruthers wrote:Interesting - do the Mazda calipers fit to the standard mounting?No , Monarch supply a homemade looking alloy casting which allows the caliper to bolt on... effective but I feel a CNC milled piece would look and feel better.Apart from the adaptor the parts are almost off the shelf.. the discs could be machined and drilled by anyone with a lathe and the calipers must be cheaply availible? mine were reconned ones but boggo standard production item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Discs are about 60 quid for a pair and the calipers are 160 each (with surcharge for no exchange)Think the monarch kit was about 500 quid.If you can DIY the caliper mounts and lathe then there is some scope for savings.Edit: the aluminum 4-pot caliper kit is 615 - guessing that is plus VAT so there would be savings to be had if DIY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy thompson Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I'll make enquiries as to mazda caliper values over here... reckon they would be ~100 quidfor a serviceable pair + postage ;D. I know a man who could knock up adaptors in a jiffy ;)Here you go... these will be fine... no salt in Oz to destroy alloy calipers... enquire on postage!!! http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mazda-RX7-FC3S-Series-4-5-Front-Brake-Calipers-JDM_W0QQitemZ380213309559QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item58867ab077BTW (totally off topic) Doug is making enquiries about that 6-3-1 that might still be around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy thompson Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 Even better http://cgi.ebay.com.au/MAZDA-RX7-FC3S-JDM-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPERS-BOLTS_W0QQitemZ150422705169QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item2305e45411Just need to win them cheap and get those brackets made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 15, 2010 Share Posted March 15, 2010 I'd be very interested in a kit Andy!Even though I just bought a new pair of standard discs :) (expensive compared to modern ones!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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